TNM&GB hockey musings IV

the woman/dance who accused the 3 duke kids of rape is in jail for attempted murder of her lover/husband/boyfriend with trying to light him on fire with gasoline. real nice. the duke lacrosse name took a hit from that scandel as the details were pretty bad, but later proven false. and those 3 kids were called rapist until they were proven innocent. that's hard to do and live with.

my brother in law just emailed me that there is little evidence with joe pa etc, but to me he was the head of the program and like captain smith of the titanic, the captain goes down with the ship. joe pa was the captain and he went down with penn st.

that's where the anger should be directed, not at the NCAA.

i agree with 99% of what you said lulz. One thing, though. Obviously, those involved in the sodomy and cover up should be the main target of everyone's wrath, but the NCAA does portray a win at all costs load of crap that invokes this type of foolish behavior.

like captain smith of the titanic, the captain goes down with the ship

too bad no one told Francesco Schettino this.

the NCAA does portray a win at all costs load of crap that invokes this type of foolish behavior.

fair enough, red. point awarded :)

too bad no one told Francesco Schettino this.

HaHa, Best comment I read today ....well done. 

but the NCAA does portray a win at all costs load of crap that invokes this type of foolish behavior.

Soooooo true.

This is BIG bucks, folks. It's also why this situation could have happened at 100 other schools. The whole system is broke, and it starts with the NCAA. 

If one of Nick Sabans (or any coach) assistants killed someone in the weight room (or any football related facility) and Saban and his higher ups covered it up only to be exposed later, would it make sense to punish the football team? Would it warrant giving the death penalty or take scholarships away from young men who worked hard to get those scholarships

Nobody answered this question I posed to the supporters of todays ruling. Im just curious.

too bad no one told Francesco Schettino this.

LMAO.

Man if Scott Howson was GM in a city that even gave half a crap about hockey, he would be burned at the stake. If the rumor is true of Erixson, Duber, Anisimov and a 1st round pick for Nash, then he is just an absolute moron.

There's a difference between shutting a program down temporarily and publicly humiliating thousands of people. Shutting down the program does not drag innocent names through the mud. Do they feel the consequences? Yes. But they are not being humiliated per se.

You know what I came back to at lunch today?  An email to myself and other PSU grads to temporarily take down our PSU degrees off our walls as they have disturbed some people. 

Yeah, you know, as I was typing I couldn't recall if the NCAA punished them or if it was handled internally by Duke. Frankly, I was too lazy to bother looking it up. I still believe the NCAA would have come down on them if Duke didn't act first. After Duke levied their own punishment, what role was there for the NCAA to serve?

They fired Joe Paterno, they fired the other 3 guys, removed almost the entire coaching staff and replaced them, took down the statue, and all this other stuff while probably planning their own fund to donate to a worthy cause relating to this heinous incident. 

And dont' forget, Duke recinded all self punishments BEFORE a ruling was even made.

Which brings up a point. Would Penn St have been better served by acting first rather than waiting for the NCAA to act? Perhaps maybe if they enacted a self-imposed 1 year death penalty, would the NCAA deem that sufficient?  

Pretty sure they did act first, before rulings were ever made. 

And no.  Considering what they're doing, what the conference has done...no, they would have felt more.

That's how life works. It's not a mob thing. It's just that it's far easier to destroy something than to build it. Penn St isn't the (first or last) institution to suffer severe consequences for the actions of a few.

I'll disagree with you on that's how life works, but if you looked at the football program itself, it was destroyed and replaced.  That wasn't enough though.  They already had removed a bunch of innocents due to the possibility of them being involved but never being able to prove it. 

It's bullshit****.  I know it, you know it, and many others know it.  I don't know about you, but when I see bullshit**** happening I do not stay quiet for it.

If one of Nick Sabans (or any coach) assistants killed someone in the weight room (or any football related facility) and Saban and his higher ups covered it up only to be exposed later, would it make sense to punish the football team? Would it warrant giving the death penalty or take scholarships away from young men who worked hard to get those scholarships

No it wouldn't, because apparently it wouldn't have given Alabama any supposed direct or indirect advantage in a football game.

In response to your question, all-pgh, it wouldn't be the same IMO. It would be a single isolated incident. In Sandusky's case, this was decades of behavior that was occurring. Not to mention, he continued raping children after he got caught.

Murder can be a crime of passion in the sense that it can be a single incident. Child rape, on the other hand, it a sign of a problem. I've never heard of a man having the urge to have sex with a boy just once and then go back to his daily routine.

If one of Nick Sabans (or any coach) assistants killed someone in the weight room (or any football related facility) and Saban and his higher ups covered it up only to be exposed later, would it make sense to punish the football team? Would it warrant giving the death penalty or take scholarships away from young men who worked hard to get those scholarships

Nobody answered this question I posed to the supporters of todays ruling. Im just curious.

Too simple to answer, there has to dozens of circumstances attached to all parties involved.    It's not just a yes or no thing based on a couple questions.  

People do know that the Freeh investigation did not have supeona power, the 2nd mile did not cooperate, and that there are about a half dozen investigations in their infant stages right?   Raykovitz, Poole, etc. have never even had to give a statement yet.     There is a ton of nasty stuff on the way involving members of the university, the football program, 2nd mile and related business ventures.   The money trail hasn't even been traced out yet.   

btw, I replied to that message with a simple "No" and my degrees are staying on the wall. 

You know what I came back to at lunch today?  An email to myself and other PSU grads to temporarily take down our PSU degrees off our walls as they have disturbed some people.

I'm sorry, what?

Some people are assclowns.

I wonder if they really disturbed anyone of if they were just doing the spineless corporate thing thinking they were proactive. I suppose it's spineless regardless. A "we appreciate your concern, but none of our Penn St Alums here were related to the Sandusky scandal nor have been accused of any child molestation offenses." would have been a polite way of telling the alleged complainer to STFU

wow, blitz. that was an official communication from the university?

nash to ny for almost nothing. great. now the Flyers need weber and doan.

I don't want Doan if it's gonna be more than 2 years $10 mil total, and yeah it's gonna be more than that for whomever signs him. I'm more than satisfied if the Flyers end up with Weber.

Byfuglien got his boating under the influence charges dropped today. He plead to a misdemeanor. I'm sure it was all a big misunderstanding anyway.