Boise inks deal with UT Martin in 2013

Real simple, Spinny. 

If a school is in the same division, you bet, I'm all for it.  My only demand is that at least half of Boise's games be in Boise.  You have a problem with that?

Speak up.

Real simple, Spinny. 

If a school is in the same division, you bet, I'm all for it.  My only demand is that at least half of Boise's games be in Boise.  You have a problem with that?

Speak up.

First, I didn't ask you if you are "all for it" Smiles, the question was clear.

Whether you want half of their games in boise or not is irrelevant. Boise is basically playing in a different "division" than AQ football teams and that is exactly the point. 

If boise would rather play UT Martin at Home than Nebraska, OU or Arkansas on the road, then you have no argument. That is the Clear CHOICE that boise is TRULY making. Boise is NOT WILLING to Control thier own Destiny. Boise refuses to put it all on the line to make a run for a title.

In other words Smiles, Boise asks for the ridiculous from AQ teams as a STRATEGY. Truth is SMiles, Boise wants no part of Nebraska, Oklahoma, Arkansas and the like, they just want the benefit of the doubt to pose for the media. 

In turn, Boise does the exact OPPOSITE from what they DEMAND from Bigger AQ Schools, to the even smaller school opponents that they play. 

What would happen if UT Martin or UC Davis were to Demand a Return trip in those deals SMiles? 

I can tell you, those deals wouldn't have happened.  Boise would Lose Money on a deal like that.  Those teams' stadiums are far too small for Boise.  The facilities are far below Boise's standards.  Boise said, "You are welcome to come to our 37k stadium, but we are not coming to your 10k stadiums". 

Those smaller teams can take it or leave it right Smiles?

Hypocrisy defined Smiles. 

 

I don't think smiles will understand that spinkiller, because its the truth.

What would happen if UT Martin or UC Davis were to Demand a Return trip in those deals SMiles? 

I can tell you, those deals wouldn't have happened.  Boise would Lose Money on a deal like that.  Those teams' stadiums are far too small for Boise.  The facilities are far below Boise's standards.  Boise said, "You are welcome to come to our 37k stadium, but we are not coming to your 10k stadiums". 

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Actually spin that is a very interesting point. I can't blame Boise for doing what is best for them by not doing a home and home with those teams but I can see how if UC Davis was trying to build a program they would want it.

In my view, you NEVER schedule a home and home with a team with 1) poor facilities 2) a reputation your team will not take serioiusly 3) a solid program of a lower level.

Missouri played Troy St in 04 AT Troy. They lost 24-14. What idiot scheduled troy at troy? They had zero reputation and you are going to an oversized high school stadium to play - plus they had some pretty decent football players since they have lower admissions standards. Troy met all three of the "do nots".

As to your point, they probably didn't actually lose money but they lost the opportunity to make more money somewhere else - which in turn is lost revenue.

It all boils down to one thing. A program should do what is best for it, without taking into account what is best for college football, fair, helpful or anything else. It is best for Boise to play these teams at home, so do it. It is best for UT Martin to go to Boise and get the money so do it.

Whether you want half of their games in boise or not is irrelevant. Boise is basically playing in a different "division" than AQ football teams and that is exactly the point. 

You are incorrect.

By NCAA rule, all 120 FBS schools are considered to be exactly the same.  They must comply with the same scholarship, recruiting, and competition rules.  They are all supposedly, equally eligible to be crowned the division champion.

FCS schools are in a different category.  They are allowed fewer scholarships, different recruiting and competitive rules, and are not eligible to play in the division one championship nor the BCS series.  They cannot be compared to be the equals of FBS schools by rule, even though, every once in a while you find an FCS school that can beat FBS schools on a playing field.

So your point is incorrect.  As a nonAQ school, Boise is NOT in a different division.  They are treated differently by the BCS, I'll grant that, but not by NCAA rule.  The only real difference is money, of course.  NonAQ schools get paid less, and must jump through additional hoops to qualify for the big money bowl games.  As a result, many of them are not as good.  Boise is the exception to this rule.  On the playing field, they have long proven to almost everyone, except, of course, the blind or the bigoted (which are you?), they they are capable of beating anyone.

And of course, all of this is deliberate, the idea is to keep these programs to be inferior.  Since their budgets are lower they can't afford to expand facilities, and do all of the things that the higher budget schools do to lure recruits, pay coaches, exploit the media and so on.  Boise is one of a very, very few that has successfully overcome these disadvantages, and no doubt this is why they engender such spirited debate.

In short, your contention is flat out wrong.  That's the sad thing about you, Spnny.  You build your entire argument on a faulty premise. 

First, I didn't ask you if you are "all for it" Smiles, the question was clear. 

Whether you want half of their games in boise or not is irrelevant. Boise is basically playing in a different "division" than AQ football teams and that is exactly the point.  

If boise would rather play UT Martin at Home than Nebraska, OU or Arkansas on the road, then you have no argument. That is the Clear CHOICE that boise is TRULY making. Boise is NOT WILLING to Control thier own Destiny. Boise refuses to put it all on the line to make a run for a title.

In other words Smiles, Boise asks for the ridiculous from AQ teams as a STRATEGY. Truth is SMiles, Boise wants no part of Nebraska, Oklahoma, Arkansas and the like, they just want the benefit of the doubt to pose for the media. 

In turn, Boise does the exact OPPOSITE from what they DEMAND from Bigger AQ Schools, to the even smaller school opponents that they play. 

What would happen if UT Martin or UC Davis were to Demand a Return trip in those deals SMiles?  

I can tell you, those deals wouldn't have happened.  Boise would Lose Money on a deal like that.  Those teams' stadiums are far too small for Boise.  The facilities are far below Boise's standards.  Boise said, "You are welcome to come to our 37k stadium, but we are not coming to your 10k stadiums". 

Those smaller teams can take it or leave it right Smiles?

Hypocrisy defined Smiles.  

 


Not a single shread of fact in your whole post.  Not even one, SPINocchio.

But for fun, let's take your NONfacts and your NONspeculations.  

"Boise is basically playing in a different "division" than AQ football teams"?  Nice. This one would be funny if it wasn't so ridiculous.   

"What would happen if UT Martin or UC Davis were to Demand a Return trip in those deals SMiles"?  UT Martin and UC Davis would make less money on a H&H, that's what. Which is why they aren't asking for a return trip. It is strictly a business arrangement for them, as they aren't playing in a system that uses sos as it's base criteria for poll and major bowl placement.  Neither is the case with Boise.  

"Boise would Lose Money on a deal like that". No they wouldn't. Boise wouldn't lose a single dime playing UT Martin or UC Davis in a H&H as opposed to any other H&H. And neither would any of your precious AQ programs, either. Just as  Mich st won't lose money exchanging $300K with Boise in their H&H as opposed to exchanging with OU, even though Boise has a smaller stadium. Why? because each makes their money from their own home stadium. Stadium sizes have zero bearing on visitor's H&H payouts. NONE. 

Boise would rather play UT Matin than Neb, OU, Ark? Even more ridiculous.  First, We all know they won't offer Boise, without Boise giving them 3-6 home pts.  If any of them would have offered a legitimate offer, Boise would be there faster than you could post another one of your delisional fabrications.

"Boise asks for the ridiculous from AQ teams as a STRATEGY"?   When there are litterally thousands of H&Hs within the league every year, how is Boise asking for H&Hs somehow different?  OR when there are dozens of programs with $1M 1&done contracts, how is Boise asking $1M for a one and done anywhere close to being anything but legit?

"Boise does the exact OPPOSITE from what they DEMAND from Bigger AQ Schools? How so, SPINocchio? Who are these schools that asked Boise for a return trip? You've already acknowledged that you know that the programs you mentioned haven't asked for a return trip. And with good reason.

 What a moroon. 

UT Martin and UC Davis would make less money on a H&H, that's what. Which is why they aren't asking for a return trip. It is strictly a business arrangement for them, as they aren't playing in a system that uses sos as it's base criteria for poll and major bowl placement.  Neither is the case with Boise.  

If you actually beleive that, you are a complete failure at anything involving business.

No they wouldn't. Boise wouldn't lose a single dime playing UT Martin or UC Davis in a H&H as opposed to any other H&H. And neither would any of your precious AQ programs, either. Just as  Mich st won't lose money exchanging $300K with Boise in their H&H as opposed to exchanging with OU, even though Boise has a smaller stadium. Why? because each makes their money from their own home stadium. Stadium sizes have zero bearing on visitor's H&H payouts. NONE. 

Again, see above.

Even more ridiculous.  First, We all know they won't offer Boise, without Boise giving them 3-6 home pts.  If any of them would have offered a legitimate offer, Boise would be there faster than you could post another one of your delisional fabrications.

Boise is a Mid-Major school.  They are no different than Weber State demanding a home and home from Boise. Boise has nothing to offer in their demands, nothing.

OU, Nebraska, Bama and the like can sell out playing Mother Francis Nursing School just as easily as they can playing boise. Quite frankly, they don't care either way.

You want to come play, come play.  Problem is, we aren't going to an erector set of 37k halfway across the country.  We can do that right down the road in Tulsa.

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You want to come play, come play.  Problem is, we aren't going to an erector set of 37k halfway across the country.  We can do that right down the road in Tulsa.


You would probably get a better game out of Jenks or Tulsa union H.S.

I don't know what i like more in life. Sex, drinking, fishing or watching Spin destroy the BSU posters myths on a daily basis.

LMAO@ playing UT Martin. Typical Bozo State canditude.

If this guy really believes what he posted....then he isn't worth spending another second talking about this.  He has not one clue how the real world works.   This guy must be a teenager.   Surely a teenaged mind is the reason for such idiotic ramblings.

Its hard for him to see through his Clown Suit Bayou. 

If you actually beleive that, you are a complete failure at anything involving business. 

Really. So show us, hot shot, how UT Martin will make more money with 8500 seats divided by 2 H&H games, paying travel expenses, rather than getting paid for 2 games and not paying out that travel expense. 

It certainly doesn't take a genious to run the numbers.

Got news for you. It ain't happening.

Tell us all how UC Davis can make more money with a 10K stadium divided by the 2 games in a H&H plus paying visitor travel expenses out of that home take, as compared to getting paid for both 1&done games and not paying out a travel expense.

Getting closer, but it still ain't happening.

What's next? That those 1&dones aren't "money games"?

And you call yourself a consultant? Go ahead and advise those programs that they would make more money if they did H&Hs instead of scheduling their money games. That should be intertertaining.

 



So show us your figures, Fluff. Twist them any way you like.

I'll wait.



But I have no doubt that you won't show any figures. You'll just keep mouthing off. All mouth. No substance.

Hmm. It also doesn't take a genious to figure out why you won't show your figures.



Too funny. 

I don't know what i like more in life. Sex, drinking, fishing or watching Spin destroy the BSU posters myths on a daily basis.

Easy to say anything, mimic. Quite another to prove it. And quite another, yet, to man up when you're wrong.



So, mimic,

Tell us all how you keep coming up with Boise not winning their conference for the last 4 years?

Tell us all how a program can go undefeated in a round robin conference and not win that conference.  (Let alone two years in a row and not win that conference either year).

Tell us how a program is cochamp of a conference and not win that conference.



We all know that SPINocchio will never show any evidence to back his statements.

So now we shall all see if you will, to back yours.

 

Really. So show us, hot shot, how UT Martin will make more money with 8500 seats divided by 2 H&H games, paying travel expenses, rather than getting paid for 2 games and not paying out that travel expense. 

It certainly doesn't take a genious to run the numbers.

Got news for you. It ain't happening.

Tell us all how UC Davis can make more money with a 10K stadium divided by the 2 games in a H&H plus paying visitor travel expenses out of that home take, as compared to getting paid for both 1&done games and not paying out a travel expense.

Getting closer, but it still ain't happening.

What's next? That those 1&dones aren't "money games"?

And you call yourself a consultant? Go ahead and advise those programs that they would make more money if they did H&Hs instead of scheduling their money games. That should be intertertaining.

 



So show us your figures, Fluff. Twist them any way you like.

I'll wait.

Moron, you seem to be incapable of understanding anything whatsoever due to your Blind Love Affair with a frickin team that has been around as long as most peoples underwear.

No, I will not take the time necessary to teach you to read Dick and Jane Books and Kinder Care Mathematics.

You can stew all you would like, but I will give you a hint little tike.  Its called Booster Revenue, Community Revenue and general interest sales (otherwise known as marketing/branding).

You know what made little bitty Boise chump? Going out and getting their heads caved in by Washington State 4 straight times. You know why you aka "the moron" wants Big Teams to come play in little boise stadium?  To BOOST LOCAL revenue and local interest in hopes of someday becoming a Big Boy just like them.

Now go back to class, watch some more Glee and allow the Adults carry on with their conversation.

Really. So show us, hot shot, how UT Martin will make more money with 8500 seats divided by 2 H&H games, paying travel expenses, rather than getting paid for 2 games and not paying out that travel expense. 


Well someday seems like we are singing a different song now aren't we. The reason you give here are the same reasons i and others have said to you. Your big time programs don't want to go to Boise for the vary same reason as you are giving here in  UT martin. Your rink-a-dink stadium can't cover the expenses of teams like Nebraska or anybody else you CLAIM to have turned Boise down. Now if this is a good enough reason for Boise not to do a H&H, why is it not good enough reason for teams like Nebraska or OU, or AR.

Moron, you seem to be incapable of understanding anything whatsoever due to your Blind Love Affair with a frickin team that has been around as long as most peoples underwear.

Translation, he is so blinded by his distaste for Boise, that he really can't understand a reasoned logical discourse that opposes his view either, Lord knows, a lot of us have tried.

No, I will not take the time necessary to teach you to read Dick and Jane Books and Kinder Care Mathematics.

Probably because both of these topics are way over his head.  Much more anything about how football schedules are set up.  No, Spinny is master of one thing, repeating his opinion ad naseum.  He has no facts, only a view shopworn statisitics that he carefully changes to suit his arguments, heck, half of the time his stats aren't even accurate.

You can stew all you would like, but I will give you a hint little tike.  Its called Booster Revenue, Community Revenue and general interest sales (otherwise known as marketing/branding).

A concept Boise gets quite well, thanks for mentioning it.  Name another university that raised over $175 million in a two year effort at the height of the economic turndown.  It's a short list.

You know what made little bitty Boise chump? Going out and getting their heads caved in by Washington State 4 straight times.

Sort of like what BYU did to Oklahoma.  Isn't it delightful that the little fellow has to go back to Boise's 1aa days to find losses?  Gee, Oklahoma had more embarrassing losses by more points to poorer teams last year than Boise had in four.

Now go back to class, watch some more Glee and allow the Adults carry on with their conversation.

This coming from a fellow who is no doubt hot for Jane Lynch, oh sorry, or is it all those cute boys?  So pour yourself another drink, dear Spinny, and do keep posting.  Your rants are delightful.  They never fail to give me a hearty chuckle.

"SPINoccio".  Now that is just frinkin funny.   Havent been on the boards in a while due to a trip across the pond.  But I see some things havent changed regarding the BSU haters.  You spend so much of your waking time trying to tear down a program that has proven time and time again that it belongs in the hunt.  Why is that?  If Boise State is not worthy then why do you lurk around on its boards taking pot shots at everything positive?  Then take shots at those fans who defend their team?  In my line of work we call those "Good Idea Fairies".  Cant wait for the season to start.

You spend so much of your waking time trying to tear down a program that has proven time and time again that it belongs in the hunt. 

They most certainly have NOT proven any such thing. What they have "proven" is no more than James Madison, Tulsa, Houston, Troy, ECU, App State and the like Ilk have "proven".

Proving Something in Big Time College Football, is to run a Gauntlet Schedule and come out unscathed or at least very close to unscathed.

Boise has NEVER played a tough schedule, thus they have proven nothing.

Boise beat OU? So has Tulsa.

Boise beat VT? So has James Madison U.

Boise beat Oregon State?  So has about EVERYONE else. (Boise still has a losing record vs. the beaver cleavers or are they tied?)

Boise beat the Washington Huskies? Oh, no they didn't. It must have been Washington State..uhh nope, 0-4.

Boise beat Iowa State? I would say they are about even on the playing field.

So, again, Boise has proven they can upset a team every once in a while and claim glory for beating Sacremento State. 

I ask Boise to prove it.  They refuse. 

So, I will keep asking. And you will keep Dodging and Pretending.

Sort of like what BYU did to Oklahoma.  Isn't it delightful that the little fellow has to go back to Boise's 1aa days to find losses?  Gee, Oklahoma had more embarrassing losses by more points to poorer teams last year than Boise had in four.



The only embarrassing lose OU had last year was to Oklahoma st. and Baylor which they both would of been able to kick Boise st butt if they had the Balls enough to play them.