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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 3:37 pm

Lately in the last 10-15 years, just how many consistently winning teams have built up by going offense first and filling in the defense and how many had the defense in place first before filling in the pieces on offense?

IMO, the  talent available in the particular draft has more to do with it than anything....I'd assume if a team is weak across the board, they are going to take the most talented player....

I'd guess teams would be apt to start with the focus on D, like H&H did....But if there's cornerstone piece available, such as LT or QB, and it fits a need,  you can't pass on it...that's my take..but I don't know what the statistics would tell...

TD
TOPDAWG
SinceOct 12, 2006
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 3:44 pm

The thing that stands out the most to me is the fact that all of the receivers most of the complainers are discussing are pretty much the same as the one's already on the roster. We would have been drafting an inexperienced version of the same guy.

What did we lack? Speed, speed and more speed..well they drafted the fastest guy at the position. Playing in Miami did him no favors. I cannot say for a certainty that he is going to be ineffective, could just as easily be the steal of the draft(seeing as how we are discussing it in May). All I know is that when that pick came in the 4th round, the Browns didn't wait to listen for trade offers, nor did they take the LB with the first pick of the 4th...They raced the card up to the podium before the previous pick was even announced. So that tells me Heckert was pretty fond of the pick. Hopefully he is right..

Lately in the last 10-15 years, just how many consistently winning teams have built up by going offense first and filling in the defense and how many had the defense in place first before filling in the pieces on offense?
Offense first...ummm...Colts? and ...uhh...well...OK, not sure I can answer your question, unless the Colts are the only one going offense first and gather consistent success(I should also add, moreso than going offense first, it was Peyton Manning first)

Before there was Brady's offense, the Patriots won with defense and a healty run game...The Packers have had a couple of good defenses over their runs, but it was mainly offense, I guess you could count them...but they were building both at the same time in my opinion...acquistions of Brett Favre and Reggie White got them jump started...

Otherwise, I think they were mostly defense first driven.


Irish Dawg 42
SinceOct 6, 2006
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 3:56 pm


Let's hope Weeden is as accurate as they say...




OK TD in case you haven seen this VIDEO of Weeden... 


Not sure if it's sumthin that You, Duff or Irish slipped into my IV, but.....






I'm convinced this kid is accurate enough for the WCO...





















Crextin
SinceApr 2, 2009
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 4:15 pm

After Browns quarterback Colt McCoy suffered an obvious (to everyone but the Browns) concussion during a Thursday night game against the Steelers in December 2011, McCoy’s father, Brad, called out the Browns for failing to keep Colt out of the game.

At the time, I feared the Browns would hold those comments against Colt.  According to Tony Grossi of ESPNCleveland.com, they have.

Grossi reports that “McCoy’s fate as a former starter was sealed” when Brad McCoy sounded off.

It’s not a surprise.  Football coaches at every level generally prefer that parents butt out.  Given the fairly legendary temper of Browns president Mike Holmgren and the high degree of sensitivity that the Browns exhibited regarding the question of whether Colt McCoy should have re-entered the game, Brad McCoy’s words undoubtedly triggered a stream of four-letter words at Browns headquarters in Berea.



he has been pampered his whole life . hence the treatment he got his rookie year from Mangini . time to cut the cord . little Colt is grown up here . act accordingly . his dad had no bussiness sticking his nose in team bussiness IMHO

Riff-Raff714
SinceApr 17, 2009
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 4:25 pm

Do you think there is any chance whatsoever the Browns will pick up a veteran free agent wide receiver?  Even a Donald Driver or one of these guys the Redskins or Texans cut...  woof...
WahooJake
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 4:28 pm





OK TD in case you haven seen this VIDEO of Weeden... 


Not sure if it's sumthin that You, Duff or Irish slipped into my IV, but.....



Let's just hope the result isn't the same when the ball hits the Browns receiver's hands...   
WahooJake
SinceSep 1, 2008
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 4:37 pm
WahooJake
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 4:38 pm

Let's just hope the result isn't the same when the ball hits the Browns receiver's hands...  
You never know Jake up by the lake in late DEC, JAN...  The recivers hands may explode like that Sealed
Crextin
SinceApr 2, 2009
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 4:41 pm

Gruden's QB Camp with Weedy...

I got a kick out of the double whammy clip Gruden played for him...  Safety + Pick 6...  Looked like a Big Ben kinda mistakeSealed
Crextin
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 4:51 pm

Crex, that was very impressive with the clay pigeons....i've never seen that before.   I don't think I've ever seen anybody try that before....Awesome.
TOPDAWG
SinceOct 12, 2006
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 5:04 pm

Crex, that was very impressive with the clay pigeons....i've never seen that before.   I don't think I've ever seen anybody try that before....Awesome.

Yeah TD I have to admit I AM IMPRESSED!   I know how hard it is to hit those things w/ a shotgun. 

I think what impressed me the most is that his timing HAS to be absolutely perfect to hit them.  If he is 0.01 sec off he misses by 6-inches or more. 

Like I said I'm warming up to the guy.


The real proof is still yet to come.



CoolGoggles on.Cool
 

Line-'em up Duff
Crextin
SinceApr 2, 2009
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 6:08 pm

My grandfather passed when I was in the Navy. We were in the middle of a work-up and preparing to get underway for a 6 month deployment. There was no way I was getting time off on short notice

i was stationed in Germany when my Grandmother passed away . i found out after i got a letter from my mother telling me so . she tried to get me back stateside but evidently it didnt work .

helluva way to find out . i was not a happy camper for a while after that almost lost a stripe over it . at the time i didnt care what they took . the Battalion  CMDR give me a break . i straightend up somewhat after that . i never did or have played by anybodys rules . i have always been one to live in the grey area of B&W Rule books . i always looked at them as more of a guideline to be manipulated rather  than something that is set in stone . just my nature .
Riff-Raff714
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 6:22 pm

Just last year the Browns were 4-12 and they didn’t seem to have made much progress. So what could the Browns possibly do to make a dramatic turnaround.

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What if I said the Browns could turn their fortunes around this year--dramatically. Before you turn me completely off, hear me out.

Just last year the Browns were 4-12 and they didn’t seem to have made much progress. So what could the Browns possibly do to make a dramatic turnaround.

Copy their rival!

Besides bordering on blasphemy, Browns fans can only look down Interstate-71 and see what the division rival Cincinnati Bengals did a year ago in the draft. Most experts would say the Browns biggest problem was on offense—an understatement to say the least—because the Browns scored under 13 points a game.

The defense kept the Browns competitive for most of the games last year, but the offense was missing in action. I know the Browns were ranked as a top 10 defense, but statistics are deceptive and the Browns have the foundation for a good defense. However, I’m not going to label them as an elite defense.

A year ago, the Bengals realized that Carson Palmer was serious about his threat to retire rather than play again with the Bengals. They used their second-round draft choice to select Andy Dalton from Texas Christian. Dalton became the starter from Day One and he went on to lead the Bengals to a dramatic turnaround.

The Bengals were 4-12 in 2010 as well, and last year improved markedly to 9-7 and made the playoffs as a Wild Card team. Granted, the Bengals had a pretty good defense, but the offense is what helped them turn their record around. Dalton completed 58.1 percent of his passes, while throwing for 3,398 yards. He threw for 20 touchdowns and had 13 interceptions with an 80.4 QB rating.

The running game was similar to the 2009 season with Cedric Benson being the primary ball carrier. However, the Bengals dropped Chad Ochoconco and drafted A.J. Green with their top draft pick.

Green was truly a difference maker as he caught 65 passes for 1,057 yards and seven touchdowns.

In the draft, the Browns added three starters to the offense and those three could improve the offense significantly. Brandon Weeden, presumably will step in immediately and take over the offense.

Sure, he will have growing pains, but it is very conceivable that he could play as well as Dalton did as a rookie, or possibly even better.

A big part of Dalton’s success was the emergence of Green. The Browns first pick, Trent Richardson could easily make as big, if not bigger impact on the Browns offense as to what Green did. If Las Vegas were to put odds on Richardson’s numbers, I would take the over that he would account for more than 1,057 yards and seven touchdowns in the Browns offense this year. Primarily, because he’s a double threat, rushing and catching passes out of the backfield.

The biggest negative to date is the Browns have added only a fourth-round draft choice in Travis Benjamin at the wide receiver position. They have not added any veterans through free agency, nor draft a receiver with one of their top picks. It will be very interesting to see if Weeden makes the existing receiving corps better like Pat Shurmur and Tom Heckert intimated.

The Browns opted to add Mitchell Schwartz to play right tackle with the 37th pick, rather than select a receiver. I would’ve preferred they would’ve signed an unrestricted free agent like Eric Winston to play tackle and then they could’ve gone after a receiver.

However, Schwartz should provide instant improvement over the hobbled Tony Pashos from a year ago. We’ll see if adding the running back or the wide receiver was the more important way to go—or if really the quarterback was the real key.

So, if Dalton and Green can play a big part in turning the Bengals around, there is optimism that it could happen with the Browns.


Random Thoughts on Backup QB: I got a kick out of hearing QB Seneca Wallace on a local radio station this week talking about his role in mentoring rookie QB Brandon Weeden in the West Coast offense. Ironically, last year, he said it wasn’t his responsibility to mentor Colt McCoy and lobbied to the media about being the starter. Now, Wallace realizes that he’s not going to start since the Browns drafted Weeden to start and he’s lobbying to stay as the backup for the Browns. It’s funny what $2.5 million will make you say.

I am in the minority, but I believe that McCoy would be the better option as the backup. He has the personality to handle being the backup and he knows he will get another chance, either by injury or with another team. If McCoy is better than Wallace, he should be the backup. I don’t buy the line about the divided locker room. The players know what a No. 1 draft choice means and they will follow Weeden, especially as McCoy will not cause strife in the locker room. We all know the recent history of quarterbacks in Cleveland and virtually every year the starter goes down with an injury, thus McCoy would be a better option than Wallace, if that happens.

In addition, McCoy makes around $500,000 this year and is much younger than Wallace. However, Wallace has a longer history with Mike Holmgren than McCoy does. It will be interesting how this plays out.


Riff-Raff714
SinceApr 17, 2009
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 6:36 pm

I'm not complaining, I had a great time. Saw the world and did some cool stuff.

Same here i did 7 years in the US Army . traveled  a bunch drank a lot fought a few times  . boys will be boys as they say .worked my ass of and played harder .

i loved my time in Augsburg West Germany the best . i would have stayed in the Army and retired if they would have just left me there . i had to much fun at times  maybe thats why they made me leave . i did lose a stripe or two after i got back stateside .hated it . hated the duty hated my unit .hated Oklahoma .  nothing was the same it was time to go for sure . i physicaly tossed a Butter bar looie    out of my Howitzer after we were done with a 72 hour training exercise . it was over and this to gun ho numbnute still wanted to play Army Yell. all snug in the fart sack and this moron wants to know where the guards are at ? ..he grabs my sleeping bag and i grabbed him tossing him right out the back of my M109 A3  . he caught some chit to over it as he went from gun emplacement to gun emplacement screwing with us after the exercise was over with .i was the third and last one he hit . after he " hit  the frozen dirt that was the end of it . he endeed up transfered to who the hell cares where .
Riff-Raff714
SinceApr 17, 2009
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 6:40 pm

speaking of playing its the first Bike night of the season . Beer & Wings live band  and more than likely some women flashing there stuff Tongue out ..although i wish some wouldnt flash there stuff Surprised
Riff-Raff714
SinceApr 17, 2009
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 7:11 pm


he has been pampered his whole life . hence the treatment he got his rookie year from Mangini . time to cut the cord . little Colt is grown up here . act accordingly . his dad had no bussiness sticking his nose in team bussiness IMHO
This statement makes you sound like a real POS Riff-Raff. It was his son man! Every parent would favor the best interest of their child's health. It's totally understandable that Mr. McCoy would be so verbose about the concussion. Putting him back in that game without doing tests could have ended Colt's career if he'd taken another hit in that manner. Geez haven't you seen the concussion comparision this week with the Seau suicide? These things coincide you know.....
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Dawg Pound Lounge ,

May 3, 2012 10:05 pm

I mentioned when Brad McCoy spouted off, that it wasn't a smart thing to do.  I really thought that was one of the more embarrassing moments in "Lerner's Browns" history...No matter how you look at it, it was just ugly...  But as a father, I have to say that I do understand why he did it...Never the less, he still shouldn't have gone public with his displeasure, for the sake of his son...

I'm positive Brad McCoy knows that the Cleveland Browns would not have intentionally messed with a concussion situation...The Steelers were flying all around, knockin Browns players out as usual, and it was just very unfortunate that Colt also suffered a hand injury on the same play to furthur muddle the situation...I was watching the game at home, and I thought Harrison literally killed the man... 

Obviously the Browns butchered it.....But JUST as obvious IMO, it wasn't intentional....They made a mistake.  They are humans....Shouldn't have put him back in, that's the bottom line.  McCoy Sr. had every right to be upset about it, but I'll bet Colt wishes dad wouldn't have been so vocal ...jus sayin.

I do think that particular situation played a part in the Browns' decision to move on and draft Brandon Weeden....But way more so than that, it was his performance on the field.  Clearly the Browns needed a bigger arm,..


just my take.


TD


TOPDAWG
SinceOct 12, 2006