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Navy to join Big East football in 2015

Posted on: January 23, 2012 8:49 pm
Edited on: January 24, 2012 4:53 pm
 

In December, Navy athletic director Chet Gladchuk told CBSSports.com Navy would be joining the Big East as a football-only member but wasn’t sure when.

The Midshipmen have made that decision.

On Tuesday, Navy will announce it is joining the Big East as a football-only member in 2015, sources told CBSSports.com. After more than 130 years playing as an independent, the Midshipmen will join a conference.

In 2013, the Big East is adding Boise State and San Diego State as football-only members and UCF, Houston and SMU as all sports members, but Gladchuk previously said it was unlikely Navy could solve a myriad of its scheduling problems and television contracts in that short of time. Navy has games scheduled through 2017 and television contracts with CBS Sports Network and CBS Sports (Navy-Army game) through 2018, Gladchuk said.

“We’re breaking away from a lifelong commitment as an independent and we have a better television deal than a lot of conferences,” Gladchuk told CBSSports.com last month. “We can’t do that without a mutual understanding with the Big East. The good news is [Big East commissioner] John [Marinatto] has been receptive of talking this though.”

With the addition of Boise State, San Diego State, Houston, UCF, SMU and Navy and the departures of West Virginia, Syracuse and Pittsburgh, the Big East will have at least 11 football members when Navy comes on board in 2015.

Marinatto has said repeatedly the league is seeking a 12-team football league and there’s a possibility the league could add another football member by the 2013 season, sources said.

“We’re bringing some sizzle to the steak,” Gladchuk said last month about Navy’s move to the Big East. “That’s why we’re excited about the possibility of the Big East and the Big East is excited about us. We (Navy and the Big East) would both like to get to the goal line.”

Air Force and Army also have been targeted by the Big East, but Air Force said it will remain in the Mountain West and Army wants to remain an independent. Gladchuk said the decisions by Air Force and Army not to join the Big East would not have any impact on Navy’s decision.

“The thinking from Colorado Springs is fully removed from Annapolis – there are no tentacles attached,” Gladchuk said. “We’ll make our decision based on what’s best for us.”

Gladchuk has said the league’s stability was important before the Midshipmen would join. The Big East currently is one of the lucrative six automatic qualifying BCS conferences, but there is a possibility the AQ BCS status may not exist when the new BCS cycle begins in 2014.

Gladchuk said last month that was something Navy would consider.

With Navy headed to the Big East in 2015, there remains no definitive answer how long West Virginia will remain in the league. West Virginia, Syracuse and Pittsburgh are all bound by the conference bylaw requiring 27 months notice, the Big East claims.

However, West Virginia has filed a lawsuit to leave and join the Big 12 in 2012, while the Big East also has filed a lawsuit to keep West Virginia from leaving early. Mountaineers athletic director Oliver Luck told CBSSports.com last month WVU still plans to join the Big 12 next season.

A Rhode Island judge has ordered the league and West Virginia into non-binding mediation to try and resolve the lawsuits.

Pittsburgh and Syracuse are scheduled to join the ACC on July 1, 2014 and have given no indication the two schools would not honor the 27-month notice.

Navy’s announcement Tuesday that it will join the Big East also will increase the Big East’s exit fees from $5 million to $10 million if any other current teams leave the league. WVU, Pitt, Syracuse and TCU all had to pay a $5 million exit fee.




Comments

Since: Sep 22, 2011
Posted on: January 27, 2012 10:53 pm
 

Navy to join Big East football in 2015

"Just don't see how this is good for Navy. As a Navy grad, I can say that the Naval Academy has always taken pride in its status as an Independent. Our other sports teams have been aligned with conferences and there has been some juggling over the years. But the football program has remained independent, which has protected those traditional matchups that define the program: Army, Air Force, and Notre Dame are long time rivalries and those games are looked forward to by every member of the Brigade of Midshipmen. Can't imagine the Army-Navy game would ever go away but what if there is a conference championship? The Army-Navy game is traditionally the last game of the season. It used to be played on Thanksgiving weekend, but has been bumped into December--even though it is the most watched football game in the world every year. But money is money and the Academy's sports programs are paid for through the Naval Academy Athletic Association (NAAA), as tax dollars are not allowed. Also, the Alumni are more than generous in their annual contributions. I'll be very surprised if this really comes to fruition.
Go Navy--Beat Army!!!"

As mentioned above the whole reason for this move is because the future of any independent not named Notre Dame is grim to say the least in terms of scheduling.  In 2017 the new Big 10 and PAC 12 non conference merger is scheduled to go through.  This means that for 11 games of the 12 game regular season for a given PAC 12 team are either going to be a PAC 12 or Big 10 opponent, and the Big 10 arrangement will be similar so that leaves very little room for scheduling anyone else.  Add in the MWC/C-USA merger (including the likelihood of a 9 game conference schedule) and the 14 team SEC and ACC and that really cuts down on the scheduling options for independents, especially when you consider the other non-AQ conferences that are out there as well fighting for those coveted slots with BCS opponents.  This way Navy goes from having to schedule 9 games each year, down to only having to schedule one (the big east will take care of 8 and they will have Air Force, Army, and Notre Dame every year).  I expect Army and BYU to find a conference before the end of the decade for the same reason.  The future does NOT bode well for independents in terms of scheduling due to increasingly limited scheduling options.  Was the Big East the smartest decision?  Who knows, but it's clear that the way of the future is for a team to be part of a conference. 



Since: Oct 26, 2011
Posted on: January 24, 2012 9:11 pm
 

Navy to join Big East football in 2015

Who Cares.I'm a WVU fan.The Big East won't be around in 2015 anyway,plus a new BCS Deal by then.Nice Move John Marinatto,just 10 years to late.The problem with The Big East its run by Notre Dame,and they are the Main Reason ITS DONE,BECAUSE OF NOTRE DAME LACK OF DOING NOTHING.iTS A GOOFY LEAGUE ANYWAY.18 BASKETBALL TEAMS,AND 9 FOOTBALL TEAMS.AS GETTING NETWORK MONEY,THERE NOT AS STRONG AS THE CONF.USA ANYWAY.ESPN IS MAD AT THE BIG EAST ANYWAY,AND THERE JUST AS MUCH TO BLAME AS NOTRE DAME.




Since: Aug 4, 2007
Posted on: January 24, 2012 8:30 pm
 

Navy to join Big East football in 2015

Just don't see how this is good for Navy. As a Navy grad, I can say that the Naval Academy has always taken pride in its status as an Independent. Our other sports teams have been aligned with conferences and there has been some juggling over the years. But the football program has remained independent, which has protected those traditional matchups that define the program: Army, Air Force, and Notre Dame are long time rivalries and those games are looked forward to by every member of the Brigade of Midshipmen. Can't imagine the Army-Navy game would ever go away but what if there is a conference championship? The Army-Navy game is traditionally the last game of the season. It used to be played on Thanksgiving weekend, but has been bumped into December--even though it is the most watched football game in the world every year. But money is money and the Academy's sports programs are paid for through the Naval Academy Athletic Association (NAAA), as tax dollars are not allowed. Also, the Alumni are more than generous in their annual contributions. I'll be very surprised if this really comes to fruition.
Go Navy--Beat Army!!!



Since: Jul 9, 2010
Posted on: January 24, 2012 8:06 pm
 

Navy to join Big East football in 2015

This is very interesting and I think it is a good move for NAVY.  As their AD stated, it is going to become harder to remain Independent and get the monies needed to fund a top quality football program and have the flexability to schedule quailty teams in the future.  It appears this will be a great fit for both NAVY and the BIG EAST.  Navy's gradual phase-in over the next three years will allow NAVY to honor their existing contracts and scheduling. This is honorable, much like PITT and SYRACUSE are honoring their BIG EAST contract of 27 months, although they would like to leave  for the ACC in 2013.  Of course, the PITT and SYRACUSE situation on leaving for the ACC, remains fluid right now, while they wait out to see what happens with WVU and the BIG EAST suing each other, and what circumstances will be set.  There is much legal rangling going to take place in the next three months.  It will be interesting to see who will prevail on what conditions will be set in the WVU and BE negoiations and settlement. 



Since: Jan 2, 2012
Posted on: January 24, 2012 6:09 pm
 

Navy to join Big East football in 2015

San Diego State, Boise, Houston, and Southern Methodist are joining the Big East!!! Think about it if only in geographical terms. This is ridiculous. How can you promote the Aztecs as a Big East team? Do you say, 'watch the Big East entry from the furtherest spot from the east that there is in the United States? What about travel costs flying from the Central Florida campus to Boise, Idaho?

The Big East better hope that they are able to attract a big contract from a network to support their weird creation of a conference that is not limited to the east but encompasses all areas in the U.S. from the east to the south to the north and the west. Maybe they can get the Air Force, Colorado State, or Ball State to join in on the festivities so all points are covered in this meandering conference.



Since: Jan 16, 2010
Posted on: January 24, 2012 5:11 pm
 

Navy to join Big East football in 2015

The Big East put this league together with the hopes of landing a huge TV Deal and I have no doubt it will be bigger than the CUSA MWC package but the question for me is how much bigger? Again to my point the biggest draw in the Big East would have been East Carolina who puts 50K in the stands with another expansion on the books yet they were not invited. Both Louisville and Rutgers draw over 48,000 but the remaining schools dont draw 40,000 despite the fact they reside in large markets.

I think its well known that Rutgers, Louisville, Cincy, and UConn all want out if given the chance to leave. If you were about to offer this league a big TV deal wouldnt you ask yourself what do we have if any of these schools decide to leave? what do we have here in the way of viewership when all but 2 of the schools reside in the lower half of the country in attendence, who would be home watching? 

 I think these are fair questions and in a tight economy I dont think you want to make a longterm investment in this conference with teams leaving in 2012 and others not joining until 2015. The Big East would have to add another member just to have a championship game 3 years from now providing another school is not poached. The final question is what happens if the AQ is taken away? If it is that would have to have a negative effect on any TV package the league expects to sign.




Since: Sep 22, 2011
Posted on: January 24, 2012 4:37 pm
 

Navy to join Big East football in 2015

"YOu are saying that the Networks will not pay money for CUSA, MWC, and WAC teams.

Yet, they will for Big East teams.

However, this "new" Big East is almost identical to Conference USA-MWC-WAC in its makeup.

Are we suddenly going to pay huge money because the logo changed????

Other than the name "BIG EAST", this new leagues looks almost exactly like the small league that was passed over for big money.

WVU, VA Tech, BC, Syr, Pitt, and likely Uconn, ND, Rutgers, and Lousiville will not be there. 

The TV people are going to see basically "Conference USA" with a name change.  They wont write checks for that.

It is like a rock band using the band's name without any of the popular members actually still part of the band."

Uh yeah, except for one major problem.  Name me a single team in the proposed Big East that has a viewing population as small the likes of Laramie, Wyoming or Fort Collins, Colorado.  To my knowledge the smallest potential media market in the Big East is either UConn or Boise State.  The Big East will get more money because there are no teams comparable to UNLV, New Mexico, Memphis, UAB, Tulane, etc. mixed in and that is the problem.  The Big East with the aforementioned schools can do better than a whopping $1.9 mil a year MAX deal that the current MWC generates.  That is for sure. 



Since: Jan 16, 2010
Posted on: January 24, 2012 2:46 pm
 

Navy to join Big East football in 2015

Of course the AQ weather its there or not has to be a factor. The BC conferences split between 25 - 60 million this past bowl season where non AQs CUSA and MWC split less than 7 million for their programs. Take into account where the TV money tops out at roughly 2 million for the CUSA programs where the Pac 10 gets rougly 21 million per team. When you add it up the AQs in the SEC Big 10 and Pac 10 pull in roughly 10 times the revenue year after year after year. The idea that the schools can stay on the field with an AQ is a miracle in itself based on the funding breakdown. Its like having the Yankees play against an A ball league.

 My question is this The Big East assumes that it will be signing a major TV deal paying its members roughly 8-10 miilion per year. I personally find this hard to believe. As another post stated you have the same programs just under a different name. Despite the 10 million exit fee I think given the chance Rutgers, Uconn, Louisville, and Cincy would depart given an offer to do so.




Since: Aug 4, 2007
Posted on: January 24, 2012 1:25 pm
 

Navy to join Big East football in 2015

Cushino makes a great point. 3 years IS a long time. This decision may outlast the foolish AD that made it!



Since: Oct 23, 2006
Posted on: January 24, 2012 1:15 pm
 

Navy to join Big East football in 2015

YOu are saying that the Networks will not pay money for CUSA, MWC, and WAC teams.

Yet, they will for Big East teams.

However, this "new" Big East is almost identical to Conference USA-MWC-WAC in its makeup.

Are we suddenly going to pay huge money because the logo changed????

Other than the name "BIG EAST", this new leagues looks almost exactly like the small league that was passed over for big money.

WVU, VA Tech, BC, Syr, Pitt, and likely Uconn, ND, Rutgers, and Lousiville will not be there. 

The TV people are going to see basically "Conference USA" with a name change.  They wont write checks for that.

It is like a rock band using the band's name without any of the popular members actually still part of the band.


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